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Tex, if you feel there are laws here in AUS that are pathetic then for exactly the same reasons as mentioned before I urge you to use your voice and challenge these laws. You can't expect to sort out all the legal problems at home before being in a position to challenge laws in other nations. It is for the most part very unlikely we will ever achieve a utopian structure of law that is perfect or that pleases nearly everybody. However, that over the years so many diverse Nations have come to see capital punishment (including for medium range drug offences - the Bali 9 aren't exactly a Columbian cartel pumping out billions of dollars of cocaine) as inhumane can be considered as an indicator of a wider, global view of capital punishment. I also don't think that death would be better then a life in Kerokoban prison. You see pictures of Corby smiling whenever she uses the phone to call her family - it may not be much, but if she were dead she wouldn't even be able to smile. She would feel no pleasure. Even in such a place as Kerokoban, there can be some happyness. Who are we to judge whether someone will be better off dead? The only person likely to able to answer that is the person in question and even then that person probably won't know for sure until they have died - and then of course they won't be able to enlighten us. And are you sure these guys really knew what they were getting into? I really can and do feel sorry for them.

Posted by: schartos of darwin 4:47pm today

i don't think it is fair to let 3 people off the death penalty while the others still have the death sentence, seems very wrong but I don't like drugs at all and people that do are a bunch of bloody fools. All they do is destroy who you are as a person. Scott Rush is the only one I feel so sorry for but I think he needs more than a guardian angel to get off this one.

Posted by: Tess of South Coast 4:01pm today

Mel K of Adelaide.....Do you have any idea how many people die, how many crimes are comitted, and how many families (children) suffer because of "only a bunch of drugs"?I take it you don't know any.Schatos of darwin.....Altho I agree with you in someways, who are we to judge another countries laws seeing Australian laws are pathetic?I am not sure if I agree with these young people being killed, but with having to spend the rest of their lives in the hell hole they are in, (which mind you they put themselves in) maybe they would be better off.Drug trafficers no what they are getting themselves into, so you can't really feel sorry for them.

Posted by: Tex of Tasmania 3:18pm today
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LIFE could be worse than death for three Bali Nine members spared capital punishment by an Indonesian court, according to a Supreme Court official involved in the case.

Indonesia`s Supreme Court has downgraded the sentences of Matthew Norman, Si Yi Chen and Tan Duc Thanh Nguyen from death to life imprisonment, following a last-ditch judicial review of their cases.

A high ranking legal source, who asked not to be named, said the panel of three judges ruled that their colleagues were previously "negligent" when they upgraded their sentences from life to death.

The three`s final appeal claimed the court which had earlier increased their initial sentence of 20 years to the death penalty was in error.

"In the District Court there were given life in jail, in the higher court they were given 20 years, and then in the Supreme Court appeal they got the death sentence," the source said.

"In the judicial review consideration, we found there were mistakes in the application of the law.

"The (previous) judges have been negligent because the Supreme Court did not have the authority to assess the sentence.

"The Supreme Court appeal could only be for the application of the law, so basically sentence could not be upgraded.

"That`s why we are returning it to the first sentence given in the District Court."

He said the judges throughout the entire history of the case had been split in their views on the death penalty.

"Judges had different opinions about the sentence - some preferred the death sentence, some preferred life in jail," he said.

"Some judges thought life in jail would be harder than a death sentence.

"In life imprisonment they cannot have sentence cuts, they have to undergo their life in prison, it`s just that their life is not taken
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"Some judges could accept life in jail, some judges still require the death sentence."

The trio - known as the Melasti three because police found 350g of heroin in their luggage at Bali`s Melasti Hotel - had made emotional appeals for their lives as part of their appeal.

Too early to save the rest

Foreign Minister Stephen Smith said it was too early to step up diplomatic efforts to save the lives of the three remaining Bali Nine members on death row - Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran - and Scott Rush.

But he said the Government would act on its promise to help spare the lives of the three men who remained on death row.

Mr Smith said the Federal Government was still awaiting official confirmation of the Indonesian decision to commute three of the death sentences but would welcome such a move.

"It`s too early because it`s appropriate in all of these cases to await the complete exhaustion of Indonesian legal procedures and processes," he said.

"And when the Prime Minister met with the President of Indonesia ... he made the point which I subsequently made to the Indonesian foreign minister, that if, upon the exhaustion of all legal procedures through the Indonesian courts, any of the nine were subject to the death penalty then the Australian Government would pursue with the Indonesian Government a plea of clemency on their behalf.

"But we`ll simply wait until all those processes have exhausted themselves."

Asked if the Indonesian court`s decision would hearten the other members of the Bali Nine, he said it was important for each case to be treated individually.

"Obviously so far as the three who are the subject potentially of this decision, it`s very welcome news and we will welcome it, but we`ll just await confirmation from our officials in Bali and Jakarta," he said.

Family still dealing with unknown

Earlier today, the father of Scott Rush, one of the four couriers caught with 8.2kg of heroin, said he was still trying not to get his hopes up.

"Definitely I think there`s an opportunity there but, you know, we`re dealing with the unknown," Lee  Rush said on ABC radio.

"We`ve had them up before and you go down, so we don`t want to get our hopes up."

Scott`s Sydney-based lawyer John North said today`s news was encouraging.

"That therefore leaves Scott in a unique position which he`s always been in, as being the only one of the airport couriers who has received the death sentence," Mr North said on ABC radio.

"So we`ve always felt that he had a strong case but it`s good to see that the Indonesian Supreme Court has recognised that the Melasti Three don`t deserve the death penalty."

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Tex, if you feel there are laws here in AUS that are pathetic then for exactly the same reasons as mentioned before I urge you to use your voice and challenge these laws. You can't expect to sort out all the legal problems at home before being in a position to challenge laws in other nations. It is for the most part very unlikely we will ever achieve a utopian structure of law that is perfect or that pleases nearly everybody. However, that over the years so many diverse Nations have come to see capital punishment (including for medium range drug offences - the Bali 9 aren't exactly a Columbian cartel pumping out billions of dollars of cocaine) as inhumane can be considered as an indicator of a wider, global view of capital punishment. I also don't think that death would be better then a life in Kerokoban prison. You see pictures of Corby smiling whenever she uses the phone to call her family - it may not be much, but if she were dead she wouldn't even be able to smile. She would feel no pleasure. Even in such a place as Kerokoban, there can be some happyness. Who are we to judge whether someone will be better off dead? The only person likely to able to answer that is the person in question and even then that person probably won't know for sure until they have died - and then of course they won't be able to enlighten us. And are you sure these guys really knew what they were getting into? I really can and do feel sorry for them.

Posted by: schartos of darwin 4:47pm today

i don't think it is fair to let 3 people off the death penalty while the others still have the death sentence, seems very wrong but I don't like drugs at all and people that do are a bunch of bloody fools. All they do is destroy who you are as a person. Scott Rush is the only one I feel so sorry for but I think he needs more than a guardian angel to get off this one.

Posted by: Tess of South Coast 4:01pm today

Mel K of Adelaide.....Do you have any idea how many people die, how many crimes are comitted, and how many families (children) suffer because of "only a bunch of drugs"?I take it you don't know any.Schatos of darwin.....Altho I agree with you in someways, who are we to judge another countries laws seeing Australian laws are pathetic?I am not sure if I agree with these young people being killed, but with having to spend the rest of their lives in the hell hole they are in, (which mind you they put themselves in) maybe they would be better off.Drug trafficers no what they are getting themselves into, so you can't really feel sorry for them.

Posted by: Tex of Tasmania 3:18pm today
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